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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:08 am 
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We really want to make relocating a reality at some point, so I'm trying to get a "real" idea of the cost of living in the MB area. I live near Boston, generally considered one of the most expensive areas in the country, especially for housing. I ordered the information a while back from the MB Chamber of Commerce that gave an idea of the difference in cost of living, but I have a feeling on paper cost of living might be lower than what it actually costs to get by day in day out. So when I read we could get by on 40% less than what we need to live up here, I'm skeptical.

The myth is that even though cost of living is higher in the Boston area, salaries are higher too. Not true, especially in these economic times. And I know, I know, MB is heavily driven by tourism and there aren't a lot of "professional" jobs (although I tend to think that there have to be some, or at least in better economic times there were and might be again). I work from home, so my job is currently portable, and I know my husband would happily take a hit on his current salary for the benefit of living somewhere without winter blizzards :) Of course we know we can't move right away, and the current job market is the biggest factor.

The biggest expense in most people's lives is housing, and there MB is considerably lower. We met with a realtor in the area last time we were down, and couldn't believe what we were seeing. Houses that the realtor was describing as "expensive" at $350,000 would cost upwards of $750,000 in our area! And those are much bigger houses than we would even need. We looked at some beautiful 2 - 3 bedroom homes in nice neighborhoods that were under $200,000 - absolutely unheard of where we live. If you go to the worst parts of the city of Boston, overrun with gangs and crime, you can't buy a 3 room shack for less than $200,000, still, even after the real estate market crumbled. And we were stunned to see that in MB we could rent a condo as big or bigger than the townhouse we currently own up here for under $1000 in some cases. And our HOA fee up here only covers insurance, trash removal and some pretty limited landscaping. Some of the places we saw down there, for only a little bit more per month, covered all that and also utilities, which I think is great. A few even covered cable TV and phone.

I perused the grocery store last time I was in MB, and there are a lot of items that are slightly or even a lot cheaper, many that are around the same, but nothing more expensive than in Boston. And I think I read that some utilities such as electricity are much less than in Boston, but you can never be sure if the information is accurate.

Other expenses don't seem to be as low as one would think. I read a post on these boards recently with links to the top 5 hair salons in the area, and to be honest the prices were even higher than what I pay at my salon here in the Boston area, which is one of the top rated salons. Clothing, shoes, things like that seem to be in the same ballpark. Except at the nicer, more upscale restaurants, eating out is definitely a lot cheaper in MB, that's for sure. And the cost to golf on the nicest courses there is still far less than up here.

So while I know we'd save on the biggest expense, our mortgage (or rent, which we decide), I'm wondering if any locals can give an idea (just ballpark is fine) on the living expenses that add up. What do you pay on average for things like water, electricity, gas, homeowners insurance, car insurance?

We don't need much. We don't need a massive house and all kinds of material things. We don't go out a lot or buy lots of things. Just trying to decide how much we need to live a comfortable, quiet existence. :sunny:


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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:32 am 
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I'm going to assume you've already looked at the information in the relocation forum where you posted. I have a sticky for my relocation page at the top with a lot of information.

However, such things as taxes, insurance, homeowners, etc. are all too variable to give you a ballpark figure. You might be in the City of North Myrtle Beach. Or the City of Myrtle Beach, or any location south of the city, such as Murrells Inlet, which would put you in Georgetown County instead of Horry County. The homeowner taxes will be more if you are west of the Intracoastal Waterway; less if you are on the east. If you live where there's a Homeowners Association the prices can vary greatly and cover a wide or narrow list of amenities. If you're in the City of MB for instance, your trash pickup is a part of your water bill. If you are in Horry County (not the city) you choose your own trash company (or you go to the recycle center to avoid that bill.) You mentioned talking to a Realtor. This person will be your best source of information. Many Realtors specialize in various locations along the Grand Strand. Once you decide on where you want to be, make sure the Realtor you have chosen can answer your every question without having to look it up.

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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:23 pm 
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We live in southern NY and keep a summer home in Longs, SC (Horry County). It is not in a gated community but on an acre of land in a some-what rural area. The taxes are incredibly cheaper in SC. We pay in the thousands here in NY and literally just hundreds in SC. If we lived in SC full time it would drop even lower. House insurance is much higher in SC than here though and my house in NY is much bigger. I am assuming hurricanes might be the reason? Food is on par and electric is a bit more in the summer in SC due to the constant AC. We pay for separate garbage and water here in NY. Our home has a well in SC and we bring our garbage to the recycling center for free in Carolina. We are hoping to retire here in a few years for the above mentioned insane amount of money saved.

I agree with Patrish in that so much depends on where you want to live and how you want to live. Best of luck and if you have any questions ask away...

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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:05 am 
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Thanks for the replies! Sun n' Fun, I'm with you on the taxes - our property taxes have tripled since we bought our townhouse a few years back. We're currently paying thousands of dollars in property taxes, but consider ourselves almost lucky because we have friends who live in the more "prestigious" areas where they're literally paying about $25 per $1000!

Personally I would love to live right in central Myrtle in a small but nice home or condo. The closer to the ocean the better! Even though I know that's where taxes and insurance will be much higher, so if/when we do move I'll probably have to settle for having to drive to the beach. We looked at some really nice and some not so nice places in the past. I'm always checking out neighborhoods in various areas. I remember staying at the Beach Colony and crossing Ocean Blvd, walking up a little ways and walking through some of the little neighborhoods of side streets where there were some very cute little houses for sale. That was a dream neighborhood for me - quiet, cozy, but so close to the beach you could walk there in under 5 minutes. Getting further away from the ocean I remember we toured the Fairways at Wild Wing (I think that's what they were called - they're built by Lennar) when they were just being built a few years back and I really liked them. They're not huge, maybe even a little bigger than what we'd really "need," but they're nicely laid out and close to everything. I also really liked some houses in Carolina Forest.

My second favorite area if I'm thinking about it for living year round is Surfside Beach. It may sound strange, but some of the neighborhoods there almost remind me of parts of Cape Cod. (Although we did look at buying an investment property in one complex in Surfside, I think it was called Deer Track, that seemed like it wasn't so well kept up - at least at the time we looked, back in '07.)

Anyway, all the information in this forum and in other various places is incredibly helpful, but like I said, on paper it always seems like it's so much cheaper in SC than New England. That's why I figured I'd ask, because it's so great to hear from people who actually live there day in and day out and know all the various expenses and what you really pay for things.


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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:26 am 
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There's a high cost in CT that I am hoping is also a lot lower when we move to MB in the next year or so....and thats the property taxes we have to pay on our cars. As an example, I have a 2004 Volvo S60 and my last tax bill on if for this year was almost $600.
Do any of the locals have any info on comparisons?

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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:05 am 
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Property tax on cars. For comparison, Wally paid $157. this year on his 2005 Subaru Forester
As a part of that fee, the following was added into the total:
$30. for road fee
State Reg. fee for license plate renewal: $30.

Your vehicle tax will depend on where you live, what year the car is, what make and model, and whether the moon is in Sagittarius. (Just kidding about that one, but this is why I hate to give actual comparisons...too many variables!) We are within the MB city limits and pay an extra penny tax. The amount we pay could change by next year. You may be in Horry County or Georgetown County. Or maybe the City of North Myrtle Beach, or even just over the state line in NC. I don't want someone coming back to the board in 6 months or a year, saying they got misinformation about MB costs.

By the way, when you look at the information I linked below, the millage rate for us is 250.
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Vehicle Property Taxes

Personal property tax is collected annually on cars, trucks, motorcycles, recreational vehicles, boats and airplanes, based on their fair market value. If you own a $10,000 car, based on the average millage rate, your personal property tax would be $268.

For information about personal property tax on motor vehicles, call the auditor's office in the county where you plan to live.
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Here's a link to a tax guide which contains the information above.
http://www.sctax.org/Publications/mov2sc.html

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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:44 am 
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Just a thought here. You may want to consider just renting your place, for a couple of reasons. First, no property tax on the property. Secondly, no homeowners insurance, since you are on the coast it will cost you more. Renters insurance is not really that exspensive and you will be able to cover all of your material assests. Just my opinion, good luck in whatever you decide. As for vehicle taxes, we are about the same here in NC, we pay city/county tax and a road tax. Mine runs me about $175.00 per year on a 2005 SUV. As Patrish said, it depends on the value of the vehicle. Tags are seperate, but is $28.00 per year.

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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:48 am 
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Thanks Patrish....that's pretty consistent with the percentage difference in home property taxes as well. Definitely a lot cheaper in MB than in CT. Our place that we bought is in Myrtle Beach proper, so my car taxes should be fairly similar based on auto value. And the tax I currently pay doesnt include registration/plate renewal, which is another $85 for 2 years.

The only down side I've seen on cost of living in MB versus up here is that the sales tax, as you say, is high.....and it also applies to clothing. In CT, clothing under $75 is tax free. Of course, when we get ready to move down, that just means I'll have to stock up on bathing suits, shorts, and t-shirts before we make the move.

ps....belated thanks for re-activating the board. This has been a major source of information for us as we've vacationed here and ultimately decided to buy.

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 Post subject: Re: cost of living
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:33 pm 
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Well, now I don't feel so bad about living in Ohio!! We don't have taxes on our cars. OY...that would irk the living daylights out of me. However our tags are about 50/yr give or take depending if you have a car/suv/truck/commercial, etc. I thought there was going to be a revolution a few years back when they started taxing different services like dry cleaning, hair, tanning, etc. I totally understand why you'd want to get out of that property tax nightmare, both you and Emmy. Yikes. I think there is a relocation guide available from visitmyrtlebeach.com in addition to all that Patrish has on this site. Are you thinking within the year?

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